In fact, Driscolls board is down to him as President and director, Jimmy Evans and Randall Taylor (who I believe is an attorney). To be brief. I believe that if I hadnt been a strong donor, I would not have been considered and wouldnt have vaulted through Harvest leadership over more deserving peers. Time and again, examples in the Bible show light shinning in darkness. We share the common goal of wanting the abuse to stop. Harvest has impacted me in this way too & I can relate to the emotional impact that you both describe. Its not as if they have any other choice, as the truth continues to trickle out. I think telling the truth is of much more value than creating or maintaining appearances. In the entire New Testament, the word only turns up once in the singular, 4th in a list of 5 useful gifts or roles (not official offices, near as I can tell) in Ephesians 4. We all know who to go to who can explain the meaning of a passage with more insight than anyone else. Ken F (aka Tweed):if these offices are wrong it means the wheels fell of of the Church extremely early in its history. this is because the powerbrokers have the mic. I can only guess, but I imagine that JMac and Hybels laid very clever traps, grooming and gradually leading people ever further into compromise and, eventually, outright sin. . No longer do I feel like I know, or need to know, or could even remotely grasp the answers to so much of life. Watch a Sermon. Never, and I mean never, have I heard someone say, I would leave, but I just cant survive without the gifted teaching. All of the above is not an option, but it seems hard to pick one over any other. Or maybe its the era of the Judges, when every man did what was right in his own sight.. In church context, it may even be worse than the secular business context because in addition to the objective institutional power wielded by the narcissist CEO, there is the presumption of divine authority which legitimates the misuse of power. If all this was that important to the leaders they would have been apoplectic at what they witnessed from JM. Its like dj vu all over again. -Yogi Berra. You think youre justified at all in bristling in obvious irritation that your letter, which is apparently the rest of the story truth about this very public figure, got out of your control and hit the public sphere? He didnt. I implore you to keep a watchful eye on those who cause trouble and make difficulties among you, in plain opposition to the teaching you have been given, and steer clear of them. That being said, I would think there is great value in making this public: as a warning for potential future victims of James MacDonald. That is because genuine relationships among people are an existential threat to the cult. You chose to serve in a church with incredibly stupid , unbiblical and mean people in charge. I must be having a rough night. Everyone who is of the Truth, who is a friend of the Truth and belongs to the Truth, hears and listens carefully to My voice. (Jesus, John 18:37). A: To learn how to do church in order to manipulate, intimidate and dominate trusting souls. And now hes trying to explain to all of us how the 2000 people that left and who were shunned by the Harvesr machine that we somehow need to let the Lord work to save Harvest? Remember, God is the master designer!!. However, he has never won . Nobody wants this. In reality, it lost about $29,000. in Springfield MO in late April Driscoll Will be sharing his wisdom as a highlighted speaker. The average American Christian has evidently become so open-minded about such characters that their spiritual brains have fallen out! Everyone who is of the Truth, who is a friend of the Truth and belongs to the Truth, hears and listens carefully to My voice. (Jesus, John 18:37). Was it released or leaked? JDV: This verse came to mind: For it is the time for the judgment to have begun from the house of God; and if from us first, what will be the outcome of those disobeying the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17) The business-first model that seems so pervasive and knocks down just about any scrutiny until there is videotaped evidence would seem to fit somewhere in that spectrum, no? Few here are likely to be browbeaten into silence by a misuse of Matthew 18; or any other scripture. the powerbrokers have manipulated everyone to heavily invest their finances, their time, energy, their relationships, and their own life in the institution. Accept that and use this springboard given by God to be the leader God always intended you to be. Chicago is witnessing the implosions of two famous mega churches due to the allegations against their leadership pastors. Our youngest daughter, Leah was married this week to Alexei, a wonderful young man! Harvest took in over a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in the last 12 yrs and many of their properties were donated free and clear. As for Noevangelicals point that no-one on earth is so qualified, that is equally specious. Noevangelical, HCA's highest purpose is to develop students who are grounded in God's Word. It appears he has been a poser, a bully and a thug for a very long time. Dallas, however, prefers a different medium film. He moved to Plano. Christ gave Himself for His people and that kind of sacrificial self-giving love was meant to be characteristic of those who stood in Christs place in offices of authority in the churches. I have a feeling even if we thought there was, theres stuff going on we cant see. So when I see the original Church held out for a few generations, I think Wow, amazing foundation!. And particularly sad to see younger church folks not benefiting from the council of senior saints. Without any explanation, Dee says she is convinced that Hall is repentant. Surely some student got it on their phone. If you dont get why your letter was leaked and why people are upset, I would say youre isolated and you need to take the blinders off. My understanding is that Driscoll also consulted with Gateway. (Dee). Its also possible it wasnt a continuous period of teaching, that there were times when they all had to go to work because they had families to support. Regarding the tragic murder of that bear, I wouldnt be too rough on JMac perhaps he was using that as a witness to draw in rough boys from the streets of Chicago. I am there; have been close to 8-years now. Dee fully admits Hall scares her. When we separate believers into clergy vs. laity, pulpit vs. pew, us vs. them failing to equip and mobilize the saints to do the work of the ministry we miss what God intended for His Church and fall short of living in the Kingdom of Heaven here and now. There is no question that MacDonald was running the elders. That is one video that I wold love to post. the powerbrokers have everyone brainwashed that the insitution is too big to fail. Our goals in writing these letters were accomplished, and its unfortunate that people are making them public. Oh well we cant all have cheese with our mac, Dallas, old son. Vague and almost never supported accusations, e.g., the posting of it on this website is unfortunate, as are many of the false rumors in the commentshere is always, in my experience, just a smear from someone whos actually rather cowardly and just looking to defame. But I suspect that since McDonalds first job is being a pastor, it would not surprise me if this was a canned hunt. 3/2/2023 - 9:30am-11:30am. . Abigail: On a side note, Im wondering if the wealth of knowledge that you and others like Jessica Hockett possesswondering if perhaps the two of you, along with a few other key people, have considered meeting and strategizing what could be some next steps going forward to help ensure that Gods people will never again be fleeced by the likes of James MacDonald, Luke MacDonald, Rick Donald, Jeff Donaldson, and, if it comes down to it, Donald Duck. Its your choiceAnonymity is not the same thing as cowardice, but thanks so much for playing that tired old game. Maybe thats why the history of the church is a history of exodus from established groups and setting up of new ones? Precept Inductive Bible Study for Women. And after a brief pause in this mission, Harvest is returning to planting more and better churches by raising up more and better Christian leaders across Chicagoland, America, and around the world. The only church Fred has ever worked for his Harvest. Why would anyone want to kill a magnificent creature like that? You dont even have to be a tyrant to fall for that scheme of the devil. This says you are not comfortable with God being in control, or believe he has the power to work in these earthly maters. Remove the plank so the splinter can be clearly seen. Ego-stroking that includes WOMAN, SUBMIT!!!! Once fear grasps and security is sought, the ability and desire to do the right thing and think critically becomes nearly impossible when it means you too could be hurt or humbled. You need to stop being like JMac and actually follow Jesus once and come out into the light. Yes, because he delivered the pew what they wanted in a church experience. Both HBC and WBC had a plurality of Yes-Men Courtiers around a Pastor/Dictator O COME LET US ADORE HIM!. That incident was only the tip of the iceberg. They all were making out pretty large with the tithes of people who thought they were giving to good causes. be in sin, Sunday services, weekly small groups, other events all give meaning to peoples lonely lives, and the rest is mostly fluff. If only we would listen to what Lewis was saying, we might avoid these bullies going way back who latch onto Christianity because of all the naive fools who are suckers for the Gantry/MacDonald Schick. Gathering during this time was unique. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. (Ephesians 5:11). Pathetic at best. . Rather, it appears that the early church looked much more Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Anglican than low-church protestant. Good Grief. Dallas Jenkins shares with Pastor Ricky and Dave how The Chosen. MacDonald may join him next year on the Stronger Men circuit. Example: I use my actual name on Twitter. The false institutional church was reconstituted by Constantine, who asserted the right to define and regulate what was orthodox and permissible. "Do Theologians LIke Russell Moore Ever Apologize for Theological Blunders of the Past?" The damage he has done is incalculable. It used to be so unthinkable to imagine life without religion as I have always known it. The restoration of truth is the one thing that brings healing. This was a right he, nor any man, truly had or has. I do apologize to Dallas, and to anyone I may have misled with my faulty information. Reported that Camp Harvest lost over $200,000 in 2016. There have been countless decisions made for Christ at Camp Harvest, along with the immeasurable life-transforming impact on countless students, men, women, and families. This is even more understandable in our world of online abuse. Check her Twitter. Even during confusion, never-ending drama, attacks and Truly hope you get peace and joy soon. My writing partner (the burned-out preacher) described it as the best movie I dont ever want to see again. Every believer has a part! Whatever ministry is going on at Harvest, is going on as a cult. Ken F (aka Tweed): I only point out that the historical evidence is not what we protestants want it to be. In 2021, Camp Harvest was sold to a ministry to continue the maintenance and ongoing work of ministry to young people, youth ministry, and camp events. hospitable I suppose those are the sort of preachers Jesus had in mind when He said: Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Yup, there are plenty of great sources of community *outside* of the church. For those who regularly read this blog, question with critical thinking, demand proof for claims made, and hold those posting and commenting to the same standards being written about. Then I read actual instructions on the veneration of Elders as of Christ himself. They engineered the black funds and the worst of the financial abuse. where leaders humbly look around for those whom they can help, trying to be the last, not the first, putting their reputations, careers, and lives on the line if necessary but also why it doesnt seem to happen in the institution. Pingback: Quote for the day | Civil Commotion, When was this statement made and to whom? Didnt Paul rejoice from prison that the gospel was preached, whether from false motives or true? All three of those aspects are absent from the biblical directives in providing care and oversight to Gods children. For me I choose to pray and let God work, he never ceases to amaze especially when he answers prayer. Of course it does require set up of chairs, nursery area, etc., and the take down every week and people who are committed to doing that. Nelson, Dallas Jenkins, Garrett Higbee, Trei Tatum, and Rick Donald. holding fast the faithful word Harvests former CFO, Fred Adams, now runs a sketchy consulting group that helps wealthy elite church insiders set up secret LLCs to buy church buildings so that the churches can then transfer wealth to them in the form of both monthly rentals instead of building equity for the members, while also authorizing the campuses to make major improvements and expansions that cost millions, which will then belong to the LLC owners, not the flock. It was given to the elders two months ago. Im a witness that almost everything you re reading and hearing is true.. . Dallas failed to mention that Fred Adams, James MacDonald and Luke MacDonald were listed as Producers for one of his film projects. 4107 N Steele Blvd, Fayetteville, AR, 72703, United States. this time facilatated by the internet, just like the last one was with the printing press.. Well, age doesnt always equal wisdom, but it helps! Jesus said that you cannot serve both Him and Mammon. . The movie is being produced by Vertical Church Films, a new film-making branch of the Elgin-based megachurch Harvest Bible Chapel, with its estimated $2 million budget underwritten by the. The man most likely is considering launching a new ministry and needs to be stopped in his tracks. If you go here you can see them listed in the browser search https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+chosen+producers+james+macdonald&t=ffsb&ia=web but when you click on the link you can see that Jenkins had the producers list altered to remove those names and place all new producers (the money) except for himself on the website. It's God who opens doors, but we must walk through them. a lover of what is good I only point out that the historical evidence is not what we protestants want it to be. And for keeping ones mouth shut on the way out? ++++++++++++++. If they depend entirely on the good will or humility of the elder-elects themselves and (no-teeth-allowed, no mechanism for) church members having a say? I know you really think more highly of me than you ought. I suppose you would doubt your own mother? I was asked. 2 -. If Paul was out of line, then certainly Luke was to blame for not exposing the sham. Wow. In full disclosure, not even a full prof or anything big, just a lecturerand a snarky middle aged guy who was such a great lawyer I had to get a job teaching to make a living. The people of God have forsaken their first love. Not one. Behind him, an ancient city unfurled. This is not a widely understood concept, nor do many consider it at all. Harvest Bible Chapel Fayetteville. Ill follow up with some details later. Dallas Jenkins is the creator, director and co-writer of The Chosen, which in addition to being the first multi-season series about the life of Christ is also the most successful media crowdfund of all time. If a church tries to appoint elders who dont meet the qualifications for eldershipthe church dies. I truly believe God provides the grace for elders to walk in the attributes in 1Tim 3but if a church isnt even looking at those thingsbut rather recommends a person onto an elder board because he/she is strategic or a fundraiser or a CEO or a finance person or a large donor (or whatever nonsensical qualification they THINK they need)this is the departure that I think God says no to. Look what that got them. Note, that they are always mentioned in a plural form. If she ends up with child porn on her computer which she can just barely turn on to view Facebook Im going to guess JMac or somebody planted it. All we get is CYA, after the fact, trying to make the best of whats already been leaked. (Amy, thanks for the clarification on Amy/Lauren). One can only guess at the motive behind their inaction, but even with the most basic discernment skills one could easily surmise that the money train was at the heart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwSTe9uit48. Like they are so far in and so much of their identity comes from being part of the group that the thought of just leaving would be like jumping off of a cliff? But that tends to require some kind of a hierarchy where some subset of the larger group comes up with stated or unstated norms and consequences for violating the norms. It is atrocious that he is still able to live the life and spend the money as if nothing untoward ever happened. The terminal stage 4 cancer exists. I remember it vividly because our child was very, very deeply disturbed and upset, AS WAS I. I had not ever seen the movie, nor intended to ever see it. Of course, the big jump you and those who make such claims make is from a shepherd/overseer/elder who is to look after, protect and provide for the flock to a paid, authoritarian ruler. As Paul cautioned the church at large to beware of Alexander, he has done us much harm, so the watchblogs speak to inform and warn other believers to be wary of certain leaders. Any truth about MacDonald as a bad-boy preacher needs to be made public! The pastor was grooming me to be an elder, made hints that I could take over for him someday. And who on this blog doesnt love questions to be answered and truth to be revealed. I say run. . Harvest Christian Academy, a private K-12 school with 650 students, was opened in Elgin . That notion is made up nonsense, harmful. Dallas was in charge of Production and Visual Media at HBC. When people look back on the history of the American evangelical movement in the first years of the third millennium, I sure hope they will shake their heads and ask why we put up with this nonsense for so long. It was not just Jmac who was enriching himself. Human nature, I guess. Thanks for confirming the authenticity of the content, Dallas. Noevangelical, lets get a bunch of our favorite beverages, cheese, olives, chocolate, cigars and a candle and well continue on. It is very difficult to regain trust when the most trusted abuse it. We only saw the one tomb. You have been on the pulse, on target, and on the money with each and every post I have read on Twitter and now on TWW. As the Lord continued to increase our congregation in depth and number, we outgrew the Rolling Meadows Campus. Held himself out as a model. I personally doubt that MacDonald was ever sincere, but it is likely that many of his deceived henchmen were. During this season, we are encouraging everyone to give online and that can be done by clicking the button below. We know the examples of Timothy, Titus etc. On April 8, 2012, their desire became reality as the North Shore Campus launched its first service at the Winnetka Community House. Dallas Jenkins produced the independent feature Hometown Legend at the age of 25 and shepherded it to distribution by Warner Brothers. I mean, everyone thought Willow Creek was that church. He was a cynical grandstands and shameless self-promoter. Many have joined the Done ranks done with the institutional church, but not done with Jesus. A narcissist is very good at manipulating people, and very patient. 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As another new, unforeseen door opened to bring Harvest to the Aurora area, 200 people from the Elgin Campus were sent south, opening as the Aurora Campus on January 23, 2011. Women's Bible Study. PJ, with the loss of religious heritage a forgone conclusion, I suspect they will next be raping our children of their identities, if they havent already. As usual, your comments and insight are on the money, Amy Moore. I will admit I now find it kind of shocking that a guy who never knew Jesus in life could muscle his way in and call himself an apostle among the other apostles. (GOO GOO GA JOOB!)). The Riverside-based Harvest Christian Fellowship will be joining the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant body that has about 15 million members.The Rev. Watch Video. You have not taken full responsibility for your actions. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. I, personally, do find truth to be something to rejoice in. We got the heck out and it took us a couple of years to find our way to the Lutheran church. James and you have lived a lifestyle for a long time of trying to prove that Jesus lied. While I am glad that he came here to confirm the authenticity of the letter, your attitude still shows that you have a long ways to go towards producing fruit that actually looks like repentance. To new commenters Being close only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades. ME GREAT WHITE HUNTER! I tracked down the World Magazine article on Jerry Jenkins gambling from which I had gleaned what little info I had and saw that it mentioned that Dallas also participated in online poker, and that another son was a dealer at a real live casino. Some things are great for a public airing, where its completely right. WHERE TO . His arrogance and rage unbalances him. a word for when you throw up a basket of fruit and everything settles in a different place, and youre confused because you understood each thing in relation to all the other things. Its time to throw open the windows HBC so all can see what really happened. As their hands touched and their lips met, the ragin river pulled them down. Im becoming increasingly wary of the megachurch model. Currently, the Dallas Jenkins net worth is $1.5 million. The elders, set in place by God Himself (Ephesians 4:11), are to watch over, tend to and care for the flock of God. What we have is countless people cutting him some slack . Look what that got them. it must be protected. Harvest Bible Chapel issued a statement today: Pastor James MacDonald came upon a sleeping bear while walking in the back yard of his modest home today. 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